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First East Coast Interplanetary Space Convention held on the farm of one Howard Mender outside

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of Lebanon, New Jersey.

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This convention was strange and wonderful in many ways and not the least interesting aspect

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with the people who came there.

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Why do people go to a space convention?

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Well, I talked to a number of conventioneers and here are three typical examples called

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from the crowd.

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I first talked to a rather bored looking gentleman who said,

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I haven't seen anything, I don't know anything.

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I'm just so much.

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And asked why you came to the convention.

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Curious, find out what happened or why so many people interested.

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I take it you're not a believer.

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I'm not a disbeliever, I just don't know.

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I don't have to be shown or if I was interested enough I would investigate the part.

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You don't feel there's been enough proof offered here today to make you believe?

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No, I don't believe any proof at all except that I think some of them are sincere and

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they're statements.

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And I think some people are taking advantage of the honest individuals who are honest enough

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and sincere enough and gullible enough to be exploited.

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What is your name?

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Martin J. Daines.

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I'm a freelance photographer on this assignment for Argosy magazine.

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You've covered these conventions for Argosy before, have you not?

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How would you say this convention compares?

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This one seems a little more sober, less fanatics, less elderly Californians seeking for something

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to believe in, not knowing quite what it is or what it might be.

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You're not what you call a believer.

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No, sir.

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Why not?

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Maybe I'm incapable of reaching with my mind just as far as these people are willing to

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go.

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I wouldn't define why not.

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Well, let me put it another way from your observations.

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Why do you believe believers are believers?

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I think we've got a pretty large percent of the population that are looking for something

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to believe in which somebody else will tell them about, I mean, these are people seeking

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an answer because they can't find answers any place else.

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Perhaps.

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This is one place out of many to seek an answer.

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I think those are two thousand dollars being made here in the past two days in the sale

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of books, the admission fee of two bucks a person.

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A purely materialistic venture.

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That was the opinion of many who attended the first East Coast Interplanetary Convention.

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A bunch of crack-bots was another opinion.

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Sincere students of the yet unexplained phenomena was yet a third.

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To find out more about all three of these opinions and incidentally, to find out just how much

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there is to the flying saucer stories will go into many aspects of this new word, ufology.

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First, the man who held this convention.

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Many people have claimed to have met beings from outer space and to have written in their

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flying saucers.

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These people are called contact teams.

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One of the men who has made this claim is Howard Menger, the man who held the first East Coast

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Interplanetary Space Convention at his farm outside of Lebanon, New Jersey.

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Is this man a crook, a crack-pot, or could he be telling the truth?

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With these questions in mind, we talk to him.

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I first asked him about his convention and why he was holding it, and he said,

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This convention is to enlighten people as to the fact that these so-called flying saucers

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do exist, that they are spaceships coming from other planets and that they do contain higher

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intelligences in the form of man, but they're higher in intelligence, they're spiritually

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and physically more developed than we are.

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They know more about how to live than we do.

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There are no wars on their planet, according to them.

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They're here to try to help us to help ourselves to attain a higher understanding of life and

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its meaning, and this convention is part of that educational process.

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That's right, and a lot of these speakers here have been exposed to this for some years,

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and they're giving some good information to the people here on just what the whole story

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is, what is the whole story.

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Well, of course, the message that these people bring us exists by these people who mean the

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people from other planets.

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That's right.

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We've more or less gone off the path, so to speak, and that anything that these wars

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and troubles on this planet, there always has to be one which you can't create anything

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without first thinking of.

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In other words, everything begins with thought, and they say that thought power, the thought,

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mass thought power on this planet has created instruments of war and negative approaches

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to life.

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Now, everything they do on their own planet, according to them, is constructive, not destructive.

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And they're coming into this planet now to educate us to their higher form of thinking.

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That's right.

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If they have come to educate us, why are they doing it this way?

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Why not a flying saucer land on the lawn of the White House, for instance, and pronouncements

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made?

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Yes.

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They say that one does come down in Washington, and the officials there, including the president,

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come out and they shake hands with these people.

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Now, scientists are there, or American scientists.

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It would be logical to assume that the Russians might possibly think or believe that we have

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the secrets of these ships, and they might attack us immediately without waiting any longer,

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or going through a Cold War.

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Well, couldn't the ships simultaneously land, say, on the White House lawn and in Red Square?

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Yes, they could.

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Then the destruction might happen twice as fast.

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Why?

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Well, both would retaliate against the other.

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You don't think that the people of the world would be so shocked by this higher intelligence.

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They might be shocked into not being aggressive.

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Well, I would like to think so, since they are afraid of this aggression.

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They're using what methods to educate us?

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They're contacting thousands of people all over the world, people that have a certain

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something within themselves.

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What are the plans for the future as far as these beings from other planets are concerned?

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Well, of course, the future looks very, very bright.

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I have gotten quite a lot of tangible evidence to prove their existence.

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I think within two years there's going to be quite a few surprises, such as spaceships coming down

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in larger numbers and the government coming out with official statements as to their being

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contactless.

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Do you have any proof of this?

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No, I have no proof whatsoever.

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I have no proof whatsoever.

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I'm afraid that this is true of most of Howard Mender's statements about his contacts with

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state people and his trips to their ships.

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A man who may be a prophet in his own time, or a man who's merely trying to make a prophet

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out of money obtained from his followers.

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We talk to this man to determine which interested in the most, the prophet he or prophet.

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I asked him how he had gotten involved with flying saucers and people from outer space.

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He said, started when I was ten years old, beautiful, because there's a time I didn't know that this woman

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was a space person from Venus.

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She talked for about fifteen or so minutes, wasn't from the woods, and I reared my home about a half a mile.

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The next time I saw this woman was in 1946, when a huge fireball-like object came in from

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the west side of the field about a quarter of a mile or a half a mile from where I originally

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first saw her.

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The ship changed from a fireball-like object to a metallic sort of object controlled by

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some intelligence.

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When it got about one to two feet from the ground, the portholes appeared and an opening

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appeared and two men stepped out.

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And then this beautiful young lady, at least I thought she was young, stepped out and I

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could see and she later confirmed that she was the same woman that I met when I was ten

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years old.

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She talked with me fourteen years before in 1946.

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And then the real shocker was, she said she was five hundred.

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Of course, she did not look five hundred years old.

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Have you met any other of these people from other planets?

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Yes, I've met quite a few.

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What are they like?

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So they're just like us, except on their home planets they wear their hair long, like

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we did in the 17th century.

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In other words, they don't distort what nature has given them.

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They try not to distort their appearance or their bodies or organs in any way.

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They don't take drugs.

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They don't eat meat.

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What is the life expectancy, at least, the average life expectancy on Venus, according

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to them, is seven hundred years of age.

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And did you find their secret of life?

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No, I wish I could.

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I would not sell it.

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I would give it away to everyone that I could possibly could.

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What planets outside of Venus have you met citizens of?

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I've talked with people who said they were from Mars, Venus and Saturn.

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We saw other people similar to us, only a lot taller, close to seven feet.

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We had seven or eight witnesses to see these.

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They came back over the fence in the backyard where I used to live.

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Did any of these people offer any proof that they were from other planets?

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How were you convinced?

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Well, I was convinced by ships in the space ships, of course.

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And frankly, I thought I was being hypnotized or either dreamed all of this or something

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was wrong with me.

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Since then, I've come back in ships that have been to the moon with evidence of not only

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life on moon, but less vegetation and fruits and everything else.

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And who actually brought these up to spec.

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Yes, I'm going to show a specimen of one of the fruits tonight.

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And of course, there you'll see the rock on the moon surface.

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I'm going to show that to you.

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Howard Menger, guiding genius behind the East Coast's first interplanetary space convention,

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offers to show proof, undeniable proof, to back up his stories of travel to far off

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planets and meeting space people.

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The specimens he offered to show it, we never saw.

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Thus, it would follow that there would be great doubt and great belief in the claims of a man

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who says he's gone beyond the reach of our recognized time to travel to the moon.

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Obviously, this man would be investigated.

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And so it is that Howard Menger's stories and his documentation thereof have attracted the attention of skeptics.

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And one of these is a lawyer, Jules Saint-Germain.

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I started off by asking Mr. Saint-Germain whether he believes any part of Menger's stories and he said,

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well, I most infallibly disbelieve his stories.

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Let's go through a few of the claims that Mr. Menger has made and his so-called proofs.

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First of all, there was the matter of a spaceship coming down in the field behind the farm.

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I believe he claims six witnesses, all of whom I might add do not believe a word of the story any longer.

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But let me say this, that Howard Menger, in my opinion, is a very good lay psychologist.

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In selecting his witnesses, he picked out those in whom there was a desire and a will to believe.

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He carefully prepared them with his tale so they are ready to believe.

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Upon reconsideration on hearing Menger's further stories and upon them coming across certain bits of information here and there,

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these witnesses generally realized they were taken by friend, Tuck Richmond.

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One of Howard's grand stories that he had was how he had a contact in Pennsylvania and he related how an individual had a pair of

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a space woman and he showed some beneficent divine kisses upon the chosen few who were allowed to see her.

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Now, it's so developed that one of the witnesses has attained that actually they were not in Pennsylvania,

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but in Howard's paint shop.

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She had commented how he asked him to stand up and Howard had said,

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yes, that is the influence of these magnetic pulsations you like.

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Later she realized that she was under an electric fan.

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Then finally when she came to be kissed by the space woman, she recognized her as a friend of Howard from Long Island.

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Later on when Howard was surprised at the fact, he just gladly said,

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well actually we use nuffel in those bodies, but it really was a space woman.

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What about his photograph? I think Howard had developed to a pretty hot man in a dark room.

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I think he's used his paint brush and a spray can to create a fit and make the mock-ups of the sources to be photographed.

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As a matter of fact, I think he's the only man, and this comes from one of the witnesses who managed to take two developed prints out of a

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Polaroid camera at the same time.

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If you look at the operation of a Polaroid, I'm sure you'll realize that you cannot pull out two prints at one quote.

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Do you think Menger is a crackpot or crook? You said that you don't believe it.

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I think Howard has been more ingenious in finding ways of making, or at least attempting to make money out of his stories than any of the others.

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Generally the boys who play in the contact with a Venusian or a Marsian are satisfied to give lectures and or write books and or take donations.

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But I think Howard's imagination is really a high pitch. When in addition he's able to sell phonograph records of Saturnian music,

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and I'm quite sure that there will be moon potatoes on the market.

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I cannot help wondering if there's going to be a new gimmick of some space medicine, because you're illness, such a thing like that should come along.

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Then I think the situation becomes very serious.

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I personally can regard this in some degree as just a good type of screwball or fun.

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However, there is always the possibility, I think, of some individual taking it so seriously that he or she might part with the very substantial amounts of money.

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Or on the other hand, a person who is highly neurotic might be really triggered often to something more serious than a neurosis.

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These are the more serious drawbacks.

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According to lawyer Jules St. Germain, Howard Menger and his story of contacting space people does not stand up.

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What about Mrs. Howard Menger? Her husband claims that when he's not home, he's on a trip to the moon.

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What would you do if your husband used that excuse to you?

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Well, Mrs. Menger's reaction to this is perhaps a bit different than yours would be.

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I asked Mrs. Menger when she had become interested in flying saucers and such, and she said...

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Well, I have always been interested in what you call space. I've chosen the other planets and galaxies and the cosmos.

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I've always been interested in that ever since I was a child, because that was part of my training and upbringing by my mother.

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Where did you meet Howard?

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I met Howard at one of his lectures.

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You've been in space work with him every since?

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Yes.

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Have you had any contact with beings or people from other planets?

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I have had a contact with a man who said that he came from Saturn.

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The people from other worlds seem to be trying to make contact.

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You have these conventions to convince people, you can write books to convince people that these people from other worlds

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are trying to contact us.

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Couldn't these people from other worlds do a much more definitive and clear-cut job in convincing us of these things?

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I think they're doing this by contacting man himself, that is mankind here on this planet.

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Rather than going through the red tape of contacting governments, because anyone or alien that contacts a foreign government

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must go through military red tape, governmental red tape, it must have identification papers.

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And strangely enough, these aliens from other worlds do not have identification papers.

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What has been in people's reactions to your telling the live story?

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Well, most audiences that we talk to have been very courteous and most receptive and more receptive than I could anticipate.

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I'm quite sure the term crack-cloth has been applied to you. What is your answer to that?

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Well, there really is no answer to that except no comments.

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Has anyone accused you of making a racket out of this?

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Well, I imagine some have said that or asked whether we have commercialized this or whether we are making any money out of this.

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And the answer is no. We never will make any money out of this.

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We will make enough to assist Don. We hope that.

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Do you feel that you will make money out of this convention?

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I don't really know. I haven't counted the receipts since he died.

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And I think that we'll just about come out, well, probably with a little profit.

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At least we hope so. And we'd be grateful for that.

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Connie Menzer claims to be the reincarnation of a being from Venus.

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She claims her husband Howard comes from Saturn.

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Here's a marriage literally made in heaven.

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But Howard Menzer claims he has physical proof to back up his stories.

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We asked him about that, starting off with the people who claim to have met on the moon.

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He said, well, they're not such thing as moon people.

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According to them, there has been, and I saw evidence of, a race of people indigenous to the moon,

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but they're not living here now. They're long since gone.

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The people there now, which I have seen with my own eyes, are people from Venus and Mars,

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working with thousands of people from this planet. They come there on tour.

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Most of them are scientists and electronic engineers. Some are just observers like myself.

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And we mean there are others from this earth up there when you were there.

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Yes. Why do these people see the fact that they've been to the moon in secret?

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Because if they get out, they would be stopped in their work, which is only for the good

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who would stop them. The government of this world. Why?

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Well, I don't know. I couldn't answer that.

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What sort of reaction do you get when you tell people that you've been to the moon and so forth?

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A lot of them are skeptical, but I've been very successful so far.

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Have any of them ever accused you of being a so-called hot pot?

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Oh, sure. A lot of people do. You see, people laugh and say these things when they don't understand something

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or they try to put up a wall because they don't believe it. I call it a wall of ignorance.

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But as we have nothing against people, they don't believe it. Has anyone accused you of making a racket out of this?

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Oh, sure. See, I was in the science business. I had my own science advertising business.

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It was 12 years. I owned it. And it was fairly successful.

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But once this large account, the large account it was carrying most of the business,

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discovered what's about my story, what happened, they said they didn't want to accuse me anymore.

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So have you met a living something?

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Well, I've been lecturing and showing documents and tangible evidence, movies and slides all over the country

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on the story of the state people.

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This is quite a large farm and you're holding this convention. How much money do you expect to make out of this convention?

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We don't expect to make very much. The expenses were very high. We do expect to come out as far as not being in a hole.

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You are absolutely convinced that this has happened to you?

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Oh, absolutely.

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Why were you chosen for these trips rather than other people?

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Oh, they have. If you used the word chosen, incidentally, I'm not the only one that's been contacted by these people from out of state.

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I would very much like to make one of these trips. I'm sure many people would.

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Are there any ways that one can arrange that?

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Yes. If a person is really sincere and would come out with the experience that has happened to him or her,

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I think that they would possibly be used by these fake people for that purpose.

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But a lot of people hesitate because they ridicule, lose their jobs, break up families.

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And of course there's a lot of trouble if it's not gone about right.

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Alright. As a reporter, I would like to think such a trick. Could you in your contact with these people arrange it?

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Why do you want to be contacted?

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If this is actually happening, I would very much like to report it.

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Believe me, I'm really sincere. I certainly hope that a man like yourself should be contacted to get this thing out well.

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If such can be arranged, I'm willing to go along with it.

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However, if there is any truth to Menger's story and if the fake people are so desperate to bring their message to the people of this planet,

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why shouldn't such a trick be arranged?

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If this sounds like a challenge to Howard Menger to either put up or shut up, well it is.

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I asked Menger why his pictures were not clearer and he said,

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I do have closer pictures and I'm all in those for the book.

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Try to make a little scoop, you know what I'm saying, so the book will sell, so that's my living.

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This seems like a strange statement from a man whose motives are purely authoritative

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and who is so desperately anxious to bring his message of hope to the people of this planet.

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What makes this man tick? I don't know.

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In talking to Menger, I asked him if he had ever been examined by a psychiatrist and he said,

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if I talk to quite a few, they don't know, according to them, what to say about me.

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Also in attendance, however, were people who make a profession out of flying saucers.

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We talked to several of these, among them was Major Wayne F. Aho,

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who is not very confused with Major Donald Keyho, perhaps one of the best known of the writers on unidentified flying objects.

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Significantly, Major Keyho did not bother to attend the convention,

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but I did talk to Major Aho and asked about his background and he said,

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I am the director of Washington Foster Intelligence.

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Is this in any way connected with the United States government?

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It is clearly a combination of Major and the fact that you spoke with intelligence.

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Would this lead people to believe that there was some connection with the government?

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Not necessarily, so I have a background as an armed and combat intelligence officer.

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I like the word intelligence and it is very applicable in this study of state visitation

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and food support for organizations.

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Various individuals that are in belief, there are many millions of people in America

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that are very much interested in this program and supported in various ways.

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I have many friends that believe in the work that I am doing.

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I am not on any regular salary, or you live, by the fruits of my endeavors, specifically,

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by taking part in various programs that could help or benefit our civilization.

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Do you feel that people are now ready to accept the idea that we are being visited by people

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or beings from other planets?

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Yes, very definitely.

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I found that people in all walks of life are beginning to understand that there is something going on.

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There are various ideas, of course, in the public mind as to what this is.

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I don't think there must be earth, mountains, ships, but a great majority are beginning to understand

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and accept the idea that we are being visited from space.

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I would say over 50% of the people now will admit that there is something going on in this space, this station field.

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Have you at any time ever met any of the beings from other states?

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No, I have not.

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I have had fighting, but I have never talked to a being of another planet.

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Do you believe that people have talked to a being from another planet?

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This is a very definite possibility.

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What is your answer to the fact that the United States government has said that there are actually no such things as flying saucers,

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that they can all be explained by phenomenon here on earth?

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I don't know if the United States government has ever said this.

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They have said, given very contradictory answers, and this is mostly from the Air Force.

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Unfortunately, the Air Force, the Army, the service that has been given this job, you might say, of reporting these things.

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I have talked with innumerable military pilots who see these crafts and houses in many times,

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and you cannot get these people to say that there is nothing going on and there is nothing to this.

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The reports that have come out have been very contradictory, and to me they have meant nothing, you might say,

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in a way of either support or lack of support.

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It seems to me that the people are going to have to make up their own mind, they are going to have to do their own research.

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On this last statement of Major A.O. that any rate, I could not disagree.

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A new word in our language is ufology, the study of unidentified flying objects, known to their friends as UFOs.

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It's a controversial subject, one in which there are many opinions, many disagreements.

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Among those participating in this fight is the United States government.

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To get the government opinion, I talked by phone to Major Lawrence J.Tackett,

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executive officer, public information division, information service, office of the Secretary of the Air Force.

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First of all, I asked him how the government, in general, and the Air Force in particular,

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was interested in unidentified flying objects.

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Our responsibility is their defense, and so any reports concerning an unidentified flying object,

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something which we cannot identify, we fear it is our duty to investigate.

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One of those, the Air Force, investigate each one of these reports that come in.

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That is right, sir.

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Off the top of your head, can you tell me about how many of these reports have come into the Air Force?

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First 8,000 reports, since June 1947. How many of these have been unexplained?

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Well, in the early days, and of course this was due to the methods of investigation and evaluation,

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we did run as high as 20 percent.

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And since 1955, they have run somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 to 6.

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We do believe that if more immediate data has been obtained on these so-called unknowns,

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that we probably could have gotten back to their explainings.

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Is there any profitability that these unknowns, as you may work, were spaceships from other planets, other galaxies?

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We have no authenticated evidence to substantiate this belief, or this theory of space travel in the air.

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Do you have anything to prove that this isn't true?

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Most of that.

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We do not deny the possibility.

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What about the number of people, many of them were written books, have produced photographs,

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have produced vegetation and stones, which they take a dot from this earth?

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What about those and their claims to have contacted these people, and some of them even claim to have traveled as far as the moon, Venus, Saturn, etc.?

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Normally they have been able to produce evidence that through yet everything charges them to substantiate

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the fact that they have made such visits, or that the so-called articles have changed from another planet.

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The Air Force then has investigated these stories.

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Yes, there we have.

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What about the comment that is made, that anybody who says they see a flying saucer immediately put through ridicule, and actually never taken seriously?

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We are convinced that a great many people, such as solid citizens, do these things and are mis-applied by what they have seen.

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And they do some in to the United States Air Force and ask for help in depending what they see.

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A little while ago you said something that rather surprised me.

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You said the Air Force does not deny the possibility of space travel in reverse, as you put it.

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What about the statement, the Air Force and the other services?

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Are you the instigators or the victims that is never quite clear of which, of a great plot to keep flying saucer information away from the peoples of the world?

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This is absolutely uncanny and uncounded.

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You have been pretty close to this subject.

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What is your opinion? Do you think there are flying saucers? Do you think they are from outer space?

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Okay, I don't think there are flying saucers.

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You are not a believer then.

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I am not a believer.

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Major protector of the United States Air Force, a man who has spent 11 years studying flying saucer reports, is not a believer in unidentified flying objects.

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But I have talked to other men in the Air Force who say they do believe in flying saucers, and who claim to have seen them.

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But they won't go on record to say so.

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However, many retired members of our armed forces have so gone on record, and have even joined organizations which are seriously study the subject.

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These organizations contradict the Air Force's decision.

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Are there such things as unidentified flying objects?

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And if there are, what are they?

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This is one of the most controversial questions of our day.

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There are people who claim to have contacted people from outer space to have written in their spaceships.

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The United States government, through the Air Force, says that each of these so-called unidentified flying objects can be explained by natural phenomena.

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In between these two extremes are serious minded groups who say the objects cannot be explained by natural phenomena, and that they are looking for a scientific rational explanation.

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Some of the people behind these groups have had the experience and prestige that warrants for their statements with given consideration.

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A group of people in New York who are studying these phenomena, it's the billion saucer intelligence.

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We talked to the treasurer of this group, Isabelle Davis, and she said,

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We believe that the flying saucers are real, and that they are probably from other planets or other worlds.

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Well, the Air Force says that on the fighting since 1955, only 2% have been unexplained. Do you go along with this figure?

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That figure does not apply to all of the reports by any means.

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The percentage for the entire period during which flying saucers have been observed, namely from 1947 to date, is approximately 20% unknown.

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Why do you feel that the Air Force is giving out the 2% figure then?

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They may believe that the American people would panic if they were told the truth.

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We do not agree with this, and we believe that the Air Force should make their reports public.

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The Air Force may say they have given all reports out.

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I suggest that anyone who believes that statement should try to obtain from the Air Force any of the reports in their files.

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Well, do you believe the statements that many people have made that they have been in contact with these flying saucers?

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No, the Air Force does not accept any of the contact communication stories. No real proof has been offered.

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Proof would be very easy to finish, but all that the contact team ever offers are excuses for not providing proof.

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What is the purpose of these contact stories?

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One of the major purposes is prestige.

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The contact team have a great need to make themselves feel important and look important in the eyes of other people.

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Some of the contact team appear to be mentally unbalanced.

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Some of them feel that they have an urgent message to communicate to the world,

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which they think would be stronger if it comes from the mouth of a so-called denusion or satanian

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than if it comes from the mouth of a mere human being.

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What about the so-called believers who follow these contact teams?

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I think that their belief springs from several sources. One of them is the need for reassurance.

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I think these are probably rather frightened people.

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Nowadays we are confronted with a possibility that we may very soon be out in space,

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meeting possible intelligent beings from other worlds,

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and there is a natural fear of the stranger, the creature from somewhere else.

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Now these stories, those that you read them carefully,

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you will notice that they tend in every case to humanize the extraterrestrial or the spaceman.

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We find out that they like to listen to soap operas, but they don't approve of them.

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We find out that they make jokes. All of this reduces them to very human terms.

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They are no longer frightening because they have been deep-faced, you might say.

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I think that for the believers as well as for the contact teams, there is also a great deal of misplaced idealism.

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Many of the believers seem to have hearts of gold and heads full of feathers.

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The Billionary Fosser Intelligence, a New York group who is giving serious study and much time to unidentified flying objects,

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rejects the so-called contact reports of such men as Howard Menger.

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But they don't reject flying saucers, nor do they deny that the flying saucers may have landed,

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is the Bill Davis said.

433
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As you may know, there are already a number of reports of an entirely different kind,

434
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which purports to describe meetings with creatures from outer space.

435
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,840
You mean there are some contact stories that you would believe?

436
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I do not want to say that I would believe them.

437
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I simply say that they are different in every respect from the type of stories represented by Mr. Menger.

438
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,840
Well, can you give us some examples?

439
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:10,840
There were in the fall of 1954 in Europe dozens of reports of encounters with little men,

440
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about say three and a half feet tall.

441
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:21,840
Then there were also in the following winter a number of reports of this type from South America.

442
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:29,840
Then in the summer of 1955 there were reports from this country of encounters,

443
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I don't call them contacts, you notice, encounters with small humanoid creatures.

444
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It is this group of reports that is so completely different from the Menger type of reports,

445
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seems to deserve to be taken seriously.

446
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,840
Why do you think that these should be taken seriously as not the Menger type of reports?

447
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Because in the first place there is no communication, the behavior of these little creatures is always completely mysterious.

448
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,840
The human observers are always terrified.

449
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,840
They don't want to have the experience repeated, they would rather forget it entirely.

450
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They shrink from the limelight, they don't go back to the same place looking for another contact, they bring no messages.

451
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:26,840
All they want to do is to have everybody go away and leave them alone and let them forget that they have a strawberry face.

452
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:33,840
Have any of these little people contacts, have there been any commercializations?

453
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,840
None whatsoever that I know of. Quite the contrary, one woman said,

454
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I would give everything I own if it had never happened.

455
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:45,840
Why were they so terrified?

456
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Because the things they saw seemed to them really unearthly and out of this world.

457
00:37:51,840 --> 00:38:07,840
They looked and behaved not like beautiful, wise, benevolent, faith brothers, but like something really different, so strange that they did not know what to make of it.

458
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,840
How many of these reports have been investigated thoroughly?

459
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,840
About half a dozen.

460
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,840
And what have been your findings on this investigation?

461
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,840
The stories are certainly not to be brushed off.

462
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There are more things in Heaven and Earth ratio than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

463
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:34,840
Those words of Shakespeare's are even more applicable today than they were the life of 400 years ago.

464
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:40,840
Perhaps some of those things in Heaven and Earth are flying saucers.

465
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What do you think?